Origins — how it all began 

First I describe the factors to consider, then I explain the theory.

We must harmonize Bible interpretation with science. Not doing this has resulted in the collapse of respectability of Christianity. Such topics as...

  1. First humans 200,000 years ago
  2. Universe and earth are billions of years old
  3. No global flood
  4. Pain and suffering before the fall
  5. Evolution occurs (including epigenetic inheritance not involving the DNA sequence)

Origins, in consideration with the date of Adam (10,000 B.C.)...

  1. of monotheism — I assume Adam was the first to worship the one true God, and that this got passed on via Abraham to the ancient Israelites.
  2. of agriculture — Farming starting around the time of Adam and in the general region. I assume Adam was a farmer but not the first farmer.
  3. of animal domestication — Domestication of sheep began around the time of Adam and in the general region. I assume Adam had sheep but was not the first to have domesticated animals.
  4. of language — By 10,000 B.C. language had spread to all parts of the world. There is no special, superior kind of language Adam could have learned from God in the garden of Eden. Perhaps his naming of various creatures was in the context of establishing religious rituals with the one true God as its focus. (Also, the confusion of languages after Noah was not when all the language families of the world originated.)


  1. I interpret the Bible strictly literally and believe it to be absolutely true and trustworthy.
  2. When interpreted literally, the "days" of Genesis chapter 1 are not 24 hours.
  3. Science demonstrates the universe is 13.8 billion years old; the earth is 4.5 billion years old; and the first modern humans appeared 200,000 years ago in Ethopia.
  4. DNA mapping shows of early human migration, the common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve, and the common male ancestor Y-Chromosomal Adam. This demonstrates humans lived the last 200,000 years ago in a continuous succession; no gaps and no mistaking some other species for humans.
  5. Humans had migrated nearly everywhere by 70,000 to 30,000 years ago, including Australia, Asia, the Americas, and Europe.
  6. Agriculture began around 10,000 B.C. in the fertile crescent.
  7. Animal domestication began after Noah's flood around 8,500 B.C., 1,656 years after Adam appeared.
  8. Adam and Eve were farmers. Probably God taught them improved techniques when they were in the garden of Eden. Since agriculture began around 10,000 B.C., Adam and Eve were created about then too.
  9. Abel dabbled in animal domestication but apparently this skill was lost when he was killed. Therefore, animal sacrifice stopped also (but began again with Noah.)
  10. God did not create the world to be a place of pain and suffering; evil and sin.
  11. I reject the gap theory, also called the ruin/reconstruction theory: the notion of a pre-Adamic race between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, and that days one through six describes a re-creation.
  12. I reject dualist ideas of a bad Old Testament God who created the world as a bad place and a good New Testament God who redeemed it.
  13. The first civilizations began about 3,500 B.C. in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
  14. Writing began around 3,000 B.C. meaning that all the events in the first chapters of the book of Genesis were passed-on by word of mouth or divine revelation.
  15. Perhaps it is significant that Adam appeared soon after the last glacial period ended 11,700 years ago (9,700 B.C.).

The question is, how could Adam, the farmer, be the first human since farming began only about 10,000 B.C. and if there were humans 200,000 years ago? Possible answers...

  1. Science is wrong and young earth creationism is the correct view. (I reject this option).
  2. Liberal Christians were right all along; the Bible is mere myth. (I reject this option).
  3. Pre-Adamic humans, various theories involving the six days of creation in Genesis chapter one being a "re-creation"; but these don't match the scientific data. (I reject this option). (I should note that my view is "pre-Adamic" in a sense, but not with the usual meaning of this word).
  4. My view, outlined in this article. It must be correct because there is no fifth option.

We must also address this topic: God created the universe good; how can it contain evil, pain, suffering, and sin?

First Humans 

The first modern humans appeared 200,000 years ago.

Adam was not the first human, rather, he was the first human of redemption history, the first to learn of monotheism. Religious rituals and animal sacrifices as worship of the one true God began with Adam, instituted by God. (Animal sacrifices did not begin with Adam.)

We don't need to look to Shem, Ham, and Japheth to find the genetic variations of all humans; most humans are not descended from those three sons of Noah.

How could true humans, creatures needing redemption; how could they have existed before Adam? The Bible actually teaches of this kind of condition, of a time before law was in operation...

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)

The law to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was necessary to condemn humans. This ushered in a new era for humanity in which willful disobedience to a specific command of God indicated rebellion against God.

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound. (Romans 5:20)

In order to redeem humans God must first highlight their offense by imposing his divine law.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. (Romans 7:9)

The law causes sin in those who disobey.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The establishment of law is a step forward in the plan of redemption.

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves. (Romans 2:14)

Even those not having law can be redeemed if they do things pleasing to God.

All humans are equal when before God in judgment; they will be judged by their deeds and by whether they accept or reject God's invitation to enter in to God's kingdom through the redemptive work of Jesus.

However, there are different stages of redemptive history in which humans have differing religious experiences and lifestyles — but always to the same happy end.

The stages of redemptive history ...

Stage Effect
Before Adam No law
Adam to Abraham The choice of life vs. knowledge of good and evil
Abraham to Moses Promise of a religious nation
Moses to Babylonian captivity Religious nation slipping into apostasy
Babylonian captivity Religious nation judged for rebellion
Return to the land One more chance
Christ Salvation by faith and obedience to God's law
New heavens and new earth Freedom, joy, peace, in the continual presence of God


God allowed Lucifer a role in designing the universe by giving him creative power. God did this to honor a covenant he made with Lucifer. This universe of pain and suffering is for the purpose of demonstrating to Lucifer that God is just (fair) in sending him to the lake of fire for all eternity.

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (Isaiah 14:17)

Many orthodox Christians interpret this passage as referring to Lucifer. This verse states that Lucifer made the world. Later, after humans built cities, Lucifer destroyed them by inciting people to war. He will not release those captured in his spiritual kingdom of darkness by sin until finally forced to. This happened when Christ redeemed the captives and happens every time someone accepts redemption through faith in Christ.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. (Ephesians 2:2)

Lucifer is the prince of the power of the air.

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

This verse states that Lucifer is the god of this world. Typically this phrase is interpreted figuratively to mean merely that he has influence or is wrongly worshipped as the true God. But the passage doesn't say this. Presumably in calling Lucifer god, Paul has in mind that Lucifer has creative powers; that he was able to create the universe.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing [wishing] that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

God allowed Lucifer to corrupt the world as a means of providing redemption for humans. The creation of the universe was for the purpose of redemption. God gave Lucifer creative power.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. (Job 1:12)

To prove that Lucifer is worthy of eternal judgment in the lake of fire, God allowed Satan to perform miraculous physical interventions to harm Job. God certainly didn't wreak death and destruction upon Job's family, his property, and his health.

Here's my understanding about all of this...

  1. God created Lucifer as a spiritual being, in fact, the highest of all the spiritual beings.
  2. Lucifer rebelled against God, thinking he could be like God.
  3. After this (or perhaps before), God created the universe and all the living creatures. His reason for doing so was to provide a plan of redemption for humans. Thus he allowed Lucifer's rebellion to infiltrate the universe.
  4. God created the world good but allowed Lucifer to have a role in modifying it afterwards.

The world God created was the new heavens and new earth but not yet populated by the creatures he would create. Lucifer modified its workings with the following characteristics: (1) limits of resources necessary for life so that creatures would compete for them and kill each other, (2) loss of energy in chemical interactions so there is the constant need to eat, (3) senses capable of feeling pain, (4) biological functioning allowing for disease, old age, and death.

Lucifer thinks he is like God because he noticed that his conscious awareness of self was in some way outside of God. This is true for us as well. In creating our self-aware soul, God has created something of his nature, but outside of himself. Thus, when we consciously experience each moment, God is not sharing this same conscious experience, rather, it is uniquely our own.

Lucifer noticed that conscious awareness was outside of God and concluded that he could, therefore, himself be god. And just as God created other spirit beings (angels), so also Lucifer wanted to create other spirit beings who would worship him. He did this using biology and evolution to create ever more kinds of creatures each having a soul.

Although God does not directly experience our conscious self-awareness, he does hear our soul's calling out to him in prayer, praise, and worship. When we see a beautiful lake or learn of a person's self sacrificing work to assist someone in need, we experience awe. This awe is our soul's communication to God of our acknowledgment of his divine majesty, of our deep appreciation of his work, of our thankfulness that he created us so we can experience such things.

Lucifer wanted a part in this glory but wanted the worship directed toward himself. The one-third of the fallen angels provide this for him and that would have been all there was to it, but God wanted to judge Lucifer. For reasons unknown to us, God chose to create the universe and the creatures in it to provide redemption for them and to judge Lucifer.

We must be very clear that God does not ever create pain, suffering, evil, and sin. Yet the world is clearly full of these even in the animal kingdom as animals kill each other for food causing much pain and suffering. God did not create any of this. Yet God did create the universe. What are we to make of all this?

If God did not create pain and suffering then who did? The answer is that Lucifer did. Christians are very confused on this issue because they don't want to allow the possibility that Lucifer co-created the universe and the creatures in it. Some answers for how pain and suffering came into existence...

  1. It happened when Adam and Eve fell. According to the young earth creation view, this event triggered a sudden massive evolution and animals began eating each other. A bizarre idea.
  2. Evil is merely the absence of good. But how can the mere abstract concept of the absence of good create animals with sharp teeth whose purpose is to kill other animals?
  3. God created all these instruments of evil but didn't intend for them to be used this way. This is a bizarre notion; even a parent would not give sharp knives to their young children hoping they won't hurt themselves.
  4. All aspects of pain and suffering were directly created by Lucifer. This is the view I propose. God gave Lucifer creative power (this is my view).

I propose that before Lucifer sinned, God entered into a covenant with him. Perhaps God was intending to create a universe filled with free-will conscious creatures and he wanted Lucifer to have a role in designing it. God keeps his covenants even if the other party breaks it. In rebelling, Lucifer broke the covenant with God. God then had to find a way to ultimately judge Lucifer.

So God designed the universe to be exactly as it will be in the new heavens and new earth and at each stage passed control to Lucifer. To see Lucifer's work in action, all we need to do is compare the utopia of the new heavens and new earth with the universe of today. Thus, all of the following were created by Lucifer...

  1. The need for creatures to kill and eat each other.
  2. The limited resources that constrain all life. Thus, when there is not enough water, there is death.
  3. All the parasitic lifeforms that live by harming and killing their host.
  4. War, disease, plague.
  5. All pain and suffering.

Notice that Lucifer has this creative power; he could materialize as a serpent to deceive Eve.

In the new heavens and new earth God will reconstitute this same universe and resurrect the same creatures but none of the bad things will ever occur; it will be a true paradise, a utopia. He will do this by guiding all events. Thus, a tree limb will fall but not harm any life; tornadoes will happen but we will ride in them unharmed. My Creative Frames theory explains how all this is possible.

Just as God enjoys our true worship of him as our soul experiences the goodness of his creation and calls out to him, so also, Lucifer receives communications from the living creatures. Pain and suffering is outside of God's domain (until Jesus "deified" human nature). When creatures experience pain and suffering, these are directed to Lucifer the creator of these conscious experiences. Lucifer enjoys these spiritual communications as worship of his creative influence on the world. In this way he has become like God, above God, because he has something God doesn't. Lucifer operates in the realm outside of God and God's goodness, in the realm of evil, depravity, pain, destruction, death.

God doesn't directly feel our pain and suffering. Instead, he hears as we cry out to him just as the descendents of Israel cried out to God when in bondage in Egypt. God hears our cries and saves us, redeems us. This is how God uses this world of pain, suffering, evil, and sin for his good purposes; he redeems those who Lucifer is trying to destroy.

Lucifer's domain will end someday and he will be eternally judged to the lake of fire. God will do this when two conditions are met...

  1. He has redeemed all humans he plans to redeem.
  2. He has demonstrated to Lucifer that judging him to eternity in the lake of fire is just (fair) and does not violate the covenant God made with him.

Satan's methods through time

Satan has been attempting to invade the Trinity through the second person of the Trinity, becoming the Son of God. As circumstances change, so do his goals...

  1. He co-created a world of pain and suffering to prevent God from allowing good into the world; but God created creatures good.
  2. He tried to prevent redemption history from starting; but God created the garden of Eden and gave his commandment to Adam, forcing Adam to choose.
  3. He tried to corrupt humanity by tempting Eve.
  4. He tried to prevent the Messiah from being born by corrupting the gene pool of the promised seed; but God destroyed the mutants with Noah's flood.
  5. He tried to destroy the people God had chosen and given knowledge of true monotheism to by starving them by drought, but God saved them through supernaturally-orchestrated events and they migrated to Egypt.
  6. He tried to permanently enslave God's people in Egypt to destroy true monotheism; but God redeemed them by the Exodus of Moses.
  7. He tried to apostatize God's chosen nation but God sent prophets proclaiming the truth, and a remnant believed.
  8. He tried to prevent the Messiah from growing up to adulthood by killing the infants.
  9. He tempted Jesus.
  10. He killed Jesus via crucifixion; but God raised him from the dead bringing redemption to all who would believe and receive.
  11. He tried to corrupt the gospel, but was bound for 1,000 years to allow time for it to permanently take root, and was then finally released after the 1,000 years in 1054 A.D. so he could continue to deceive the nations.
  12. He will raise an army to try to kill Jesus at his second coming, at which point he is grasping at straws and is soon after cast into the lake of fire.

Satan's attempt to invade the Trinity

The sequence of events in Satan's failed plan...

  1. Co-create a universe suitable for increasingly more and more conscious creatures culminating in humans, made in the image of God.
  2. Corrupt the souls of humans in the spiritual realm.
  3. This would cause the second person of the Trinity to intervene to redeem humans.
  4. Jesus incarnated into a human body, deifying it by making human nature a part of God's nature.
  5. Satan would use his entanglement with human souls in the spiritual realm to infiltrate this now-deified human nature.
  6. In killing the human soul of Jesus, Satan would substitute his soul in this now-defied humanity and would, therefore, become the new second person of the Trinity, becoming God.

Satan miscalculated in several ways...

At the resurrection of Jesus, Satan's plan was defeated. The holiness of God repelled Satan from the deified humanity. After this, humans receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit are immune to Satan's presence. He still affects them from outside their soul, not from the inside, not from within now-deified humanity.


God uses this world of pain and suffering to redeem those living in it. Lucifer meant it for bad but God uses it for good.


God does not see or experience the pain or suffering in this world, rather, he hears the cries of those suffering and redeems them.

In taking on human nature as part of God's nature, Jesus was able to directly experience pain and suffering just as we do. Allowing Satan to persecute Jesus and kill him in the most undignified manner allows God to judge Satan to eternity in the lake of fire.


Eve was created supernaturally from Adam's own body via some sort of supernatural surgery.

The Eve of Genesis is not the same person as the Mitochondrial Eve of science; that woman lived well over 120,000 years ago whereas Eve lived 10,000 B.C.


The garden of Eden was near Tabriz, Iran. Although the geography surrounding it matches the biblical text, I think God constructed a walled-in residence for Adam and Eve, to protect them from wild animals.

This valley is fertile and provides a good place for farming.

I accept this view because it explains the 4 rivers.

Noah's Flood

Noah's flood was not a global worldwide flood because such a thing did not occur. (I do not provide the evidence on this website; the young earth claims are simply ridiculous.)

Was Noah's flood a local flood? If so, when and where? Or did it even happen at all? Certainly something happened resulting in the Bible story.

Noah's flood occurred 1,656 years after Adam who was 10,000 B.C. or later, so the flood was roughly 8,500 B.C. or later. The last glacial period of the Quaternary ice age ended about 10,000 B.C. (this was the start of the Holocene geological epoch) and resulted in huge floods all over the world.

It's hard to find a location for a flood matching the Bible story. Some possibilities are: Caspian Sea, Black Sea, Mesopotamia. I favor the Caspian Sea option but can't find evidence for it.


  1. The flood waters would have to travel faster than a person could run away from.
  2. The local population would be wiped out except for Noah's family on the ark.
  3. The flood story is connected with the Nephilim so it would have to wipe them all out.
  4. The flooding would have to be gentle so it didn't destroy the ark.
  5. The flood would border the mountains of Ararat (Armenia). This rules out every option except the Caspian Sea or Black Sea.
  6. There is no reason the flood would have to destroy the garden of Eden as some suggest.

Noah's flood occurred after Adam and Eve, therefore, it occurred at least 190,000 years after the first modern humans. Humans had migrated nearly everywhere by 70,000 to 30,000 years ago, including Australia, Asia, the Americas, and Europe; therefore, the flood did not affect any of these peoples since it was a local flood.

There are flood stories all over the world. The further away from the near east these stories are, the less they have in common with Noah's flood. Noah's flood occurred before writing so the story was transmitted by word of mouth.

The ark Noah built was huge, the same exact size as the largest Seattle ferries. Therefore, it was fragile and could have only survived with no stresses from swirling and turbulent water; certainly no waves were present. As the water slowly overwhelmed the flat plain it did so with a speed just faster than a man could run; once the water was six inches deep the force would knock people over. The ark eventually floated and was blown west toward to the Ararat (Armenia) mountains. The water slowly subsided lowering the ark onto flat ground. It was quickly dismantled and used for building and firewood.

Ararat means Armenia. Armenia is west of the Caspian Sea. Probably the ark came to rest against the mountains on the west side of Azerbaijan, or, more specifically, at the Aras River bordering Iran and Azerbaijan at the northernmost point of Iran along the border with Azerbaijan closest to the Caspian Sea. There is a large low elevation area in central Azerbaijan bordering the Caspian Sea.

What if there was no Noah's flood, if it's just a story? It doesn't affect the gospel nor the claims of Christianity.


The tower of Babal and the dispersion of the peoples refers to the first civilization of the world, the Sumerian civilization, in Mesopotamia.

This confusion of language is not the creation of all the world's languages; people had long before migrated to all the continents. Rather, the confusion of language at Babal was merely to disperse political power, probably leading to civil war and the toppling of this civilization.

This confusion of language occurred long before the appearance of writing. Perhaps as each new generation experimented with spoken language the different sub-groups remained independent from each other and the language differences highlighted their different political ambitions. They would coalesce around their language emphasizing their disunity.

Satan tried to create a one world government; God dispersed it. The same with the Church; God fragmented it into many groups (who kill each other) each having the true gospel (except the part about not killing each other). In this way he preserved the gospel. God created a unified nation of Old Testament Israel, partially to demonstrate this doesn't work; the kingdom of God is not political and institutional. The Catholic Church is mistaken about this point, thinking it is.

Table of Nations

The table of nations of Genesis 10 refers to the dispersion of the sons of Noah. Humans had already migrated nearly everywhere by 70,000 to 30,000 years ago, including Australia, Asia, the Americas, and Europe. Thus there is no need to try to determine which of the three sons of Noah the various people's of the world are descended from; most are not descended from Noah at all.


The biblical text does not require we believe in a supernatural creation of Adam. He was not the first human.

The Messiah, the redeemer, was to be a descendant of Adam so it was important that this bloodline be kept pure, that is to say, purely human, not contaminated by the Nephilim.

Adam was not the first human, rather, he was the first human of redemption history, the first to learn of monotheism. The first modern humans appeared 200,000 years ago in Ethopia. Adam and Eve were farmers. Since agriculture began around 10,000 B.C., Adam and Eve were created about then too.

In my view, Adam was the first to worship the one true God, and this got passed on via Abraham to the ancient Israelites. But alas, I can find no historical information from the history of monotheism to support nor refute this view. What is clear is that the Israelites were the first who were known to practice monotheism.

I reject the teaching that Adam was the first Caucasian and that the Nephilim were children of mixed-race marriages between the Caucasian descendants of Adam and other non-Caucasians.

Since original sin came into the world through Adam's sin, and since Adam was not the first human, therefore; there was no original sin before Adam. This means original sin was imputed to people living and dying before Adam after they died. Also, original sin infected people living on other continents at the same time as Adam after he ate the fruit. Original sin infects every human soul in the spiritual realm. This is an example the kind of conclusions we must accept if we use modern science as a source of truth; it's no wonder many Christians wish to discredit modern science at every turn — it shakes up their cherished and traditional theology.


Apparently humans interacted with other hominids such as Neanderthal Man and probably mated together, but the last of the Neanderthals went extinct about 30,000 years ago, long before Adam and Eve. However, there are a few other hominids that may have been present alongside humans after the time of Adam and Eve.

Perhaps Adam and Eve appeared in history when they did because it was after the other hominids went extinct.


Noah lived in what is now the Caspian Sea when the water level was much lower due to the icepacks to the north. God's judgment of mankind in the flood seems to be in response to the mating of modern human females with modern human males (or other hominid males) who were demon-possessed by the wicked angels. The offspring were in some way genetically altered and were not strictly modern humans anymore. Perhaps the offspring were a genetic variation induced by genetic modification via evolutionary processes; a guided particle of radiation to mutate the genes or some epigenetic factor.

The fallen angels who were engaged in this activity had two purposes...

  1. Spirit beings desire to inhabit physical bodies (but this is forbidden to them); they even prefer inhabiting the bodies of pigs rather remain strictly in the spiritual realm.
  2. Satan wished to contaminate the human race, knowing the redeemer would one day be born as a human.

God wished the blood line of Adam to be kept pure so he destroyed all the half-breed people in the flood.

Apparently there were two other incidences of the Nephilim. It seems God did not need a flood to destroy them after the first time; perhaps in Noah's day the people didn't have weapons adequate to vanquish them or perhaps they were not considered to be the enemy needing vanquishing. It seems that part of the reason God created the nation of Israel with its own national identity linked to God was to provide the sense of national superiority necessary to wipe out the Canaanites who had Nephilim among them.

The wicked spirit beings involved in all this were harshly judged by God.

Modern biologists are fiddling with human genetics and will likely succeed in creating all kinds of monsters. Computer engineers will create robots smarter than humans. Somehow through all of this God will provide for redemption for those kinds of creatures needing it. God doesn't require a flood to wipe out all this; the Messiah was already born and took on pure human nature, deifying it.

I reject the teaching that Adam was the first Caucasian and that the Nephilim were children of mixed-race marriages between the Caucasian descendants of Adam and other non-Caucasians.


Evolution occurs. The flawed assumptions and conclusions of atheistic evolution...

  1. There is no creator God.
  2. There is no spiritual realm.
  3. Consciousness and other human traits are physical in nature, caused by brain function. This is absurd.

All genetic mutations are guided by the hand of God for his purposes.

The development of an organism involves: (1) sequences of DNA, and (2) epigenetic activation of genes. Physical evolution is spiritual because of epigenetics: (1) passing traits on from parents to children apart from DNA, and (2) developments of an organism not controlled by DNA.

Ancient Cosmology

The book of Genesis and other books of the Bible assume a different construction of the universe than our modern scientific knowledge. The question is whether we should bother trying to harmonize the texts with our modern views. Usually Christians answer, "yes, we should," because of their view that the Bible must contain only true and correct facts. In other words: fiction, myth, and errors of fact have no place in the Bible.

Ancient cosmology...

  1. There was flat earth completely covered with water. No mention of when, if ever, this was created, nor of who created it.
  2. The firmament, a clear solid bowl-like structure, which appeared within the water and separating water below with water above. The cavity was filled with air. Inside this firmament was air, clouds, the sun, moon, and stars. Above was more water which is why the sky is blue. This water can at times flow through small holes in the firmament which is the source of rain.
  3. The earth below the water folded up into hills and mountains coming out of the water.

Does the Bible mean more than the writers thought of? Clearly, the New Testament writers thought the Old Testament contained information the original writers were unaware of. Even Jesus took Old Testament passages as meaning more than the writers envisioned.


A flawed objection...

  1. Different dates for the common female ancestor Mitochondrial Eve and the common male ancestor Y Chromosomal Adam. Those who consider this an objection have not studied the topic.

Bible Quotes

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

Perhaps a reference to the humans from 200,000 years ago until the time of Adam. I've always wondered who Jesus was referring to.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. (2 Peter 3:5)

Speaking about those who deny there will be a day of judgment. Their evidence: the earth doesn't change, it is static. Peter informs them of the creation account in Genesis.

Those promoting the gap theory make much of this verse but it also fits well with non-gap views such as mine.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)

These verses are typically used as proof that Adam was the first human. But notice that Christ, the last Adam, was not the first human nor the last human, so why would Adam have to be the first human? What these verses are saying is that Adam and Christ are like bookends of redemption history; Adam started redemption history through the fall, and Christ ended redemption history by providing for redemption.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Genesis 1:27)

I've always wondered why there were two different accounts of the beginning of humans, one in day 6 of Genesis chapter 1, the other in Genesis chapter 2. In this verse, God created the first humans 200,000 years ago in Ethopia.

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. (Genesis 2:8)

This verse does not refer to Adam, merely to those humans who migrated to northern Iran.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)

The origin of the first humans via evolution fits this verse. Just as each person returns to the dust upon their death, so also they are formed from dust.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (Genesis 3:19)

All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:20)

Adam is not the only one made of dust; we all are.

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs [part of his side], and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib [part of his side], which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (Genesis 2:21,22)

Eve was created via some sort of supernatural surgery.

The Eve of Genesis is not the same person as the Mitochondrial Eve of science; that woman lived well over 120,000 years ago whereas Eve lived 10,000 B.C.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. (Romans 5:12)

There is no reason Adam had to be the first human to be the one who allowed sin to enter the human domain. Just as Christ redeemed all those humans who lived before him, so also Adam's disobedience certified the kingdom of Satan which was already in operation in the world and in the humans before Adam. Adam was the first human who willfully disobeyed God's commands, God's law. Before that, there was no law just as, before Moses, there was no Mosaic Law that the descendants of Israel were accountable to.

Just as Jews are accountable to the law but Gentiles are not, so also humans since Adam are accountable to the law to not partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We are to stay away from things of darkness and wickedness. This is why it is so hard to watch TV or movies or listen to music.

The doctrine of Original Sin states that innate depravity is transmitted to all mankind because of Adam's sin. Before Adam's sin, humans were already immersed in the kingdom of Satan. In sinning, Adam confirmed this. If Adam had not sinned, Jesus would have returned then and redeemed all the humans before Adam, those living from 200,000 years ago until about 10,000 B.C. when Adam lived.

The Adam of Genesis is not the same person as the Y Chromosomal Adam of science; that man lived well over 120,000 years ago whereas Adam lived 10,000 B.C.

And the earth was without form [a waste], and void [empty]; and darkness was upon the face [surface] of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon [hovered over] the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)

The word "was" can also be the word "become". Those promoting the gap theory make much of this. But in any case, this verse supports my view.

And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep [abyss]. (Luke 8:31)

There has already been judgment of at least some of the fallen angels into a place called the abyss. Perhaps those demonic spirits who are too aggressive in pursuing their wicked ends are judged right then. But finally, all this will be dealt with after Christ's second coming and all the wicked souls and spirits will be consigned forever to the lake of fire.

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)

God's creation of the universe was a time for joy for the angels, the sons of God. They are called sons of God because they were created by God in his image.

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:18)

God created the universe to be inhabited by creatures. People use this verse to support all kinds of wild theories.

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (Luke 10:18)

Satan still lives in the spiritual realm since he is a spiritual being. Thus, what Jesus saw was Satan being forbidden to enter the higher spiritual realms and constrained to the lower spiritual realms, the same spiritual realms that our souls reside in. In other words, Satan's activities were finally restricted to activities of the earth and its creatures.

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. (Jeremiah 4:23-26)

This passage is used by some to support the gap theory — first there were humans, then there were none, then there were humans again. But this extended passage is not talking about the past but, rather, about the future. It probably describes conditions just after the second coming of Christ as the earth is dissolved in great heat.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31)

How could it be good if it was bad? Young earth creationists claim that if God created the world to be good then it could not have pain and suffering; that these things began at the fall. But this doesn't solve the problem. If God created the world good how could it become bad, since it was imbued with God's goodness?

The answer is that God created the universe and the creatures to be good but turned them over to Lucifer who then made them somewhat bad.

For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. (Romans 8:20-22)

All of the created order groans and suffers under the spiritual influence of Satan. This implies that even the universe has a soul of some sort living in the spiritual realm.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. (Romans 5:14)

Two verses earlier Paul equated death with sin. Paul is speaking of spiritual death. This entire passage is in the context of redemption, of spiritual life through Christ as the cure for spiritual death.

When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. (Deuteronomy 32:8)

This verse does not state that Adam was the first biological human but, rather, that the covenant nation of Israel had Adam as an ancestor.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (1 Timothy 2:13)

This verse does not say that Adam was the first human, merely that Adam appeared before Eve.

Isaiah 14:12-17 

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer... (Isaiah 14:12)

Lucifer fell from a high place in the spiritual realm to a much lower place, one corresponding to the physical universe.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (Isaiah 14:16,17)

These verses imply that Lucifer had a role in creating the universe as a place of destruction and devastation.

Ezekiel 28:12-19 

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets [settings] and of thy pipes [mountings] was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. (Ezekiel 28:13,14)

It appears there was a garden of Eden in the spiritual realm before the universe was created; God modeled the garden of Eden in which Adam lived from this. In the original spiritual heavenly garden of Eden, Lucifer was the chief cherub, the high priest, the worship leader if you will.